> I state that "God is good" on the basis of my own evaluation of empirical > evidence. That (evidence) is apparent to me in all that I see has been > created. That on-going creation seems to me to be full of all of the > qualities I have come to associate with goodness: giving, nuturing, > caring, loving, increasing. > > DADNO Please forgive a slight disagreement from a fellow Christian. Let me ask a question, and I think my own objection will be made plain. Does God tithe? If so, why? If not, can He be all good? The absurdity in the above question is obviously that it attempts to apply God's will for mankind (human virtue) to the source of the same. God cannot be held up to some prior standard (since there is nothing prior to a Creator), and He cannot be held up to the human standard (since God is not a man). And so, when someone objects or questions the proposition that God is not all-good, then we must grant them this insofar that "good" refers to the human good. If the divine virtue is considered (God's omniscient (and therefore authoritative knowledge of the) elucidation of His singular divine virtue), then we can indeed say that God is all-good. However, it can be made plain that God is the source of human morality. So, in answer to the general topic of this string, I offer a small analogy to make this clear. Suppose you are a mechanically enclined individual who knows nothing about cars, but who is charged with fixing his car. You have complete knowledge of all the tools at your disposal, but have no idea how the several parts in the car work. Because of this, your own observations of the workings of the parts tell you nothing-- you have no idea how they are _supposed_ to work, and thus have no idea what to do to the car to make it run again. What do you do? A first thought might be to consult a mechanic. Surely they are an authority on the workings of cars, and can be trusted to tell you rightly how the several parts are supposed to work. However, even a mechanic may not know *all* that it necessary. Eventually, you may realize that the most authoritative voice on the workings of your car are the makers of the same. The design team at GM (or whatever), which designed your car, knows what is best for the car, and how it ought to work. Keep in mind that you may indeed be capable of doing a great many things to the car, but only certain things will make the car work as it ought, and that design team will be the most authoritative on this matter. Do you see the analogy? Our free will are the hands who hold the tools, the car is our body and the fruits of our actions. The designers are, of course God. God is called omniscient, which means he knows all. Insofar as human morality falls into the set of "all", God must also know of human morality. Therefore, insofar as there is virtue, God is the authority on the same. Cool huh? - Bo (Christianity is so damned reasonable, it's scary)